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Freedom's Last Stand: Understanding Marxist Strategies in America
Alexander Markovsky, a Soviet immigrant who grew up as the son of a high-ranking Communist Party member, brings his rare and valuable perspective to this episode of STARRS & Stripes podcast hosted by retired Navy Commander Al Palmer. Markovsky offers listeners an insider's view of Marxist ideology and its modern manifestation in American institutions.
Drawing from his degrees in economics and political science from the University of Marxism and Leninism, Markovsky unpacks the fundamental nature of socialism as an "artificial social order" that requires enforcement to exist—making it inherently incompatible with freedom. His most startling revelation comes when he explains that "true economic equality can exist only in poverty," highlighting why every socialist experiment throughout history has resulted in oppression rather than liberation.
What makes Markovsky's warning particularly compelling is his analysis of how modern American socialism has evolved from traditional Marxist-Leninist approaches. He identifies a more subtle, "benevolent" form that doesn't require violent revolution but instead focuses on controlling three vital sectors—healthcare, finance, and energy—allowing for the gradual imposition of socialist policies without triggering immediate resistance. This strategy explains many current government policies that increase oversight in these critical areas.
The conversation takes a sobering turn when Markovsky draws direct parallels between Lenin's strategies and contemporary American policies, particularly regarding currency debasement and using the judicial system as a tool against political opponents. "What the Soviet Union could not achieve through its formidable military and nuclear capabilities is now being realized by duly elected American presidents and legislature," he observes with evident concern.
Listen now to understand how ideologies like Critical Race Theory and DEI policies potentially undermine American institutions, and discover why Markovsky believes the only antidote is a renewed focus on freedom, productivity, and the individual pursuit of prosperity. This episode presents a crucial warning from someone who has witnessed firsthand the destructive power of Marxist ideology.
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Well, hello America and welcome back to STARRS and Stripes, your podcast for understanding what's happening in today's military with DEI, CRT, diversity, equity and inclusion and critical race theory. These are sort of corrosive efforts that have been made to destroy some of what's important in our country our readiness and our ability to fight wars and defend our nation. But it may run much deeper than that. In a general sense, there's a lot of confusion and doubt today about some of the things that are happening in our country that are kind of confusing to people, and we're here today to talk about that underlying effort. With me is a very special guest today, somebody who's actually lived through some of this kind of problem with ideology in the past.
Al Palmer:Alexander Markovsky is a Soviet immigrant. He holds degrees in economics and political science from the University of Marxism and Leninism and a graduate degree in structural engineering from Moscow University, and a graduate degree in structural engineering from Moscow University. He grew up the son of a Communist Party member, and a very high one at that, but he escaped and managed to get back into the West because he wanted to see a little different view of how the world works. He currently resides in Houston, texas, and he's an engineer and he has a consulting company that specializes in managing large international projects. He's also written a couple of books and he's also published over 300 articles about the effects of Marxism, bolshevism, socialism, communism, and it's a real pleasure to have him here today because he's going to answer some questions, I think, for us about where the Soviet Union was, where Marxism was and where it is today, and the effects. So, alexander Markovsky, sir, it's great having you with us today as our guest on Stars and Stripes.
Alexander Markovsky:Thanks for inviting me. It's a pleasure.
Al Palmer:So, Alex, if you will, you might, just for our audience's benefit, fill us in a little bit about how you grew up as a part of the Soviet Union and then the effect that your father had on your life. It's a fascinating story.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, I was born, raised and educated in the Soviet Union. My father was a manager of a big construction company a state construction company, of course and at the same time, you know, he was a high-ranking member of a local communist party. He also, he had been a communist. He didn't like that system. He didn't like that system. However, you know, you have to provide for your family and protect your family, and that was the way he had been doing it. One episode I'd like to emphasize one day he told me that I have to venture into University of Marxism, Leninism and study political relations and economics economics. So I knew my father's views about the Soviets and I asked him listen, dad, why do you have to learn this crap?
Alexander Markovsky:And he said something really embedded in my thinking forever. He said in order to survive, you have to understand the philosophy of your enemies. I wish he looking at me from above and see how that really worked for me, how it helped me to survive and achieve my goals. When I tried to leave the Soviet Union it was year of 1967. And eventually it took eight years me to get out of the country because I understood the philosophy of my enemies. I never been incarcerated. They allow me to finish my studies. When I got a job, I could work there to the last day. When I got.
Alexander Markovsky:Finally they got permission to leave, Unlike my friends who tried to fight their way out, many of them, very unfortunately, being prosecuted, incarcerated, some end up in psychiatric clinics. Because you see, you set up your goals and you think how to achieve them. Not to deviate into something, perhaps what looks more important like fighting the Soviets, fighting your way out, but slowly and surely move forward with your objectives, and that worked very well for me.
Al Palmer:So your father obviously helped you do that because of his position in the party. Is that correct?
Alexander Markovsky:Well, you know to a very little extent, to be honest with you, not in a way to help me to get out, but in a way to understand whom I'm dealing with and how to do it. Once he told me, he said you're trying to fight them and they will crush you. It's nothing for them to do it. You just think what your objective is, don't deviate from it, and understand whom you're dealing with, and I tell you that worked like a charm.
Al Palmer:Oh, yes, yeah, well, that does, and I'm delighted that you were able to get out the way that you did. Yeah, because you ended up having a very successful career, and you've written about that extensively, and you've written about that extensively. So while you were there, though, you became a son of Marxism, socialism, communism, and you got to see that up close, but in our country, we don't see those things sometimes the same way, so help our audience understand a little bit about how that developed and what socialism really is.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, I'd love to do it. We have to understand that, unlike slavery, feudalism, capitalism that were product of a natural evolution of society were product of natural evolution of society and that evolution was precipitated by the rise in labor productivity. Socialism is artificial social order and, as such, it needs to be built. It necessitates enforcement.
Alexander Markovsky:Since socialism cannot be implemented without enforcement. Its very nature is contradictory to freedom. Our problem in America is that the contemporary political thinking of American people is more backward than that of Russians or Chinese who have experienced it, and too many of them live in what I would call flat earth universe that know nothing and, unfortunately, neither education, nor upbringing nor life experience prepares American for grasping the veracity of change you remember that Barack Obama used it and understand what is in fact tyranny and understand what is in fact tyranny.
Alexander Markovsky:I know that proponents of the system of this new order may say that, yes, we might have some tyranny, but it is for common good. And that's what really raised my blood pressure. Because of course, yes, it is. So were the French revolution, so there was Bolshevik revolution in Russia. There was a cultural revolution in China. So were the man-made great famine in the Soviet Union, and so extermination of Jews in Germany. Yes, it was so for common good right, and millions and tens of millions, and maybe even hundreds of millions of people will perish for the idea that was common good right. So the institution of tyranny is not restrained. The tyranny does not dissipate, it intensifies. It ultimately employ violence to sustain itself, and there is no limit to the violence perpetrated for the common good or fairness In this country we have experienced politically motivated trials, massive government regulations restraining our freedom and even attempted associations of political opponents.
Al Palmer:So wasn't that the promise, though, of the Bolsheviks? Lenin, in 1918, when they moved in and took over, you know, actually seized the government right, and it was for the people right. Bolshevism for the people, and that was the promise. We're here to take over from those nasty czar regulations and things. We're here to free you and we're here to do good, but in fact, is there good that ends up being done in the end?
Alexander Markovsky:And isn't that what's kind of going on?
Al Palmer:Yes.
Alexander Markovsky:You remember those beautiful Bolshevik slogans Land to peasants, bread to Hungary, peace to people. How that work, Okay, they say yeah, bread to Hungary resulted in famine, Peace to people resulted in civil war, revolution and civil war that 15 million people perished. So that's how it works. You know it's a very big lie, but looks very appealing to the masses but looks very appealing to the masses.
Al Palmer:So that was a bit about moving forward with change, hope and change. Have we heard?
Alexander Markovsky:that word Right, yeah, when they say now it's different. But just as you pointed out, you know maybe slogans a little bit different.
Al Palmer:But what you're left with is sort of an empty promise of we're here to help, we know you're in trouble, we're here to be the salvation for you. Well, all you have to do is change your form of governance and the way you live and things will be fine. Utopia, I guess, but so far has utopia actually worked under socialism anywhere?
Alexander Markovsky:Well, we know it hasn't worked thus far, but what we hear every time we hear it now is different. Yeah, we are not. We are not greasy gangs of murders, we are not Bolsheviks. We are not a greasy gang of murders. We're not gonna gang of murders. We're not gonna see mass execution, we're not gonna see concentration camps. We will see beautiful life, Beautiful life in economic equality. And here I want to get to Marxism, that, as you know, the political philosophy that promotes egalitarianism, which is a theory of economic equality.
Alexander Markovsky:And that socialism is economic system based on Marxism.
Al Palmer:Marxism. So Marx had the view about capitalism and he actually said actually capitalism ain't so bad, it kind of does work, but he just wanted to do away with it, right?
Alexander Markovsky:Right. We want to establish fairness, we want to do economic equality. You can hear it all the time. That is a song that communists, socialists and now our democratic party is trying to promote. And it's interesting, by the way, that Lenin, their slogans are very popular and policies that they try to promote are very appealing. You remember?
Al Palmer:how.
Alexander Markovsky:Lenin defined socialism. He said it organized on principle from each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution, award, whatever. But that was not enough. They promised you a real paradise. On this side of the grave phase of socialism will be communism, which is defined as from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs. That is very appealing idea because those ideas, those illusory ideas, I would say of economic equality and society, when people of limited abilities can get according to their unlimited needs, really transcend time and appeals to people of all colors, all races. So you have to understand that that is very powerful ideas, whether they kill or not nobody cares.
Alexander Markovsky:You know, it's like a religion, except you're getting everything, as I said, on this side of the grave.
Al Palmer:Well so, but in order to, in order for socialism to succeed, actually Marxism even worse. If you're depending on just the ability to convince people that things are going to get better, reality kind of comes into focus there too. And the old Soviet Union, especially right after the czar, you know, an agrarian society which was a little behind, way behind the power curve on industrialization and technology, if you will. And also, you know, because of that they weren't able to produce wealth the same way the Western world was, and they were fighting a war at the same time. Those are the worst conditions that you can have if you're not busy creating the ability to fund it through revenue, through wealth building, so all you're doing is just rearranging the decks on the Titanic. You know you're not producing anything.
Alexander Markovsky:That was the whole idea, and you touched a very interesting subject. I'd like to elaborate on it, please do Since the publication of Marx's Capital, what was about 160 years ago? Marxist socialists and their followers have overlooked a fundamental contradiction Equality in wealth is an oxymoron. True economic equality can exist only in poverty. Wealth, by its nature, cannot be equal. Thus, marxism is not the philosophy of shared prosperity, but it's enforced poverty. To be short, marxism is a philosophy of poverty.
Al Palmer:So wars, destruction and famine and everything that leads to poverty, every famine and everything that leads to poverty, and it leads to economic equality as they understand it and, conversely, if you have the ability to create wealth through individual labor and success, you've got an incentive for people to continue to do it. You don't have an incentive, it seems to me, when things fail, like either in Cuba or North Korea, where there's immense poverty and actually starvation and regimentation is extreme. How does that make you feel happy about going to work every day?
Alexander Markovsky:Well, I'm sure you have the answer.
Al Palmer:I wish I did.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, nevertheless, with everything you just pointed out, you know it is very difficult to find an idea that, instead of working hard, as you just pointed out, why it is easy just to take it from, let's say, Alex Markovsky or Donald Trump, why don't we take his wealth and divide it between all of us? Isn't it much easier way to do it? But I tell you what, if the support of that economic equality, including Marx's graduates of American universities, absorbed human history, they would realize that the only historical datum that points to economic equality goes back to the era of primitive communism. About what, 10,000 years ago, before farming, people were forced to obtain food collectively.
Alexander Markovsky:Everything that was produced was consumed, there was no wealth created and it was resulted in total economic equality, in absolute poverty. Ironically, that's how economic equality can be achieved Because, as we said earlier, economic equality and wealth are mutually exclusive. But, of course, as soon as people got into agriculture and invented fences, well, they start producing surplus, engage in commerce and subsequently start building some wealth and inequality was born. Yeah, because some were broader.
Al Palmer:Yes, Some were broader, some had better land.
Alexander Markovsky:You know, some invented fertilizer and on and on and on.
Al Palmer:But as long as there's opportunity for people to rise from being in poverty and maybe not being so prosperous, through their own labor, through their own efforts, if they can succeed, then they can change that paradigm. If they can succeed, then they can change that paradigm. Well, they changed the paradigm, but you created wealth inequality, correct, yeah, but again, as you say, that's necessary for people to want to do better.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, but people who don't do better is a majority.
Al Palmer:Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky:Isn't it? Not? Everybody become Elon Musk or Steve Jobs?
Al Palmer:Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky:Because I'll get to it perhaps later a little bit. But God did not create us all equal.
Al Palmer:But, as we were talking about earlier, because, like in the old Soviet Union, because it was stagnant, being more agricultural rather than industrial, where they were creating new products, new services, new wealth, because of that it just sort of stayed the same, and we can't allow that to happen to us, can we?
Alexander Markovsky:I certainly hope so, but it's not that simple.
Al Palmer:Again, I said successful people are in minority, yep. Well, as you would expect, because not everybody can do it. So let me ask another question here. So what was Marx's role in changing socialism into pure Marxism as it exists today?
Alexander Markovsky:I would go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. That was held, especially in the United States, as a victory for freedom, triumph of democracy over totalitarianism. But I think the germination was premature. However, the ideas of Marx and Lenin did not die.
Alexander Markovsky:They just and the demise of socialism was not irrevocable. It's like a deadly bacteria that mutates to become resilience to antibiotics. Marx is adopting a new reality and, in one of the most dramatic reversal of history, comfortably relocated to the United States, where it's acquired a new life and malignancy within the democratic party. And in 2008, this revolutionary ferment culminated in the election of Barack Obama, the architect of a new, I would say benevolent, form of Marxism. It was designed to separate Democrats, as I told earlier, from the grisly gang of Russian Bolshevik terrorists and mass murderers and offer a new imaginative path to socialism in the United States. I personally believe that Barack Obama is a leading Marxist of our time. He is very intelligent, he is imaginative and he, I would say, came up with a solution to install socialism without murders, without that mass terror. And now when they say, hey, this time it's different, this time socialism is democratic, well, I will take it with a big grain of salt and I wonder how it's different. And I knew that, I expected you to ask me this question and.
Alexander Markovsky:I even got some quotes that you might be interested in.
Al Palmer:I know I would.
Alexander Markovsky:So what's the definition of social democracy? Social democracy is a political ideology that has as its goal the establishment of socialism through the implementation of policy regime that includes, but not limited to, high taxation, government regulation of private enterprises and the establishment of a universal welfare state. So democratic socialism is not a new version of socialism, it's just another method of establishing socialism.
Al Palmer:Yes, well you know, but even with Barack Obama and his administration, when they came in fundamentally changing, it was also about redistribution of wealth, which he made kind of an error, I think, when he was interviewing Joe the Plumber during one of his campaign stops. He said look know, you're a small business guy, what do you want? We're going to redistribute the wealth. That didn't go over very well, but it did kind of reveal something about maybe the existing plans of the socialists and others and ideologies and what they wanted to do.
Al Palmer:You know, if you go back and even to the early 1960s, the Communist Party of the United States was very good about putting out a whole list of things that they wanted to do, which, if you look at it today, some of them are a little out of touch, but some are not. Gaining control of schools, gaining control of student newspapers, fomenting riots so that you could illustrate disaffection for the government, infiltrating the press, gaining control of the radio and TV and motion pictures, discrediting American culture by degrading history these are just a few of the over 50 goals that the communists actually put into the country. That's part of the congressional record, so that's not speculation, but those are the things that they were talking about then in 1963. So if you look at it that way and fast forward into current administrations, there's a lot of that that's now resident and still there, but maybe kind of under camouflage or concealed. How do you feel about that?
Alexander Markovsky:about that. Well, they started it. Well, we might say that it all started with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, those socialist tendencies. But over the time it's progressed and we can't just blame the Democrats. The Republican Party was helping them, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and nevertheless they went ahead and supported those ideas over the years and we can discuss in length a little bit later and I thought about that. I expected this kind of questioning okay yes, you're absolutely correct.
Alexander Markovsky:You know it started earlier and over the years. You probably remember those red diapers babies. You remember that, that when the whole generations, you know, have been educated and indoctrinated into socialist ideas. It has happened, you know, and you know, even if you remember it was said, that indoctrination can be done with one generation. You know, if you school people properly, and Lenin even once said if you give me a child, a six-year-old child, I put seeds in his brain that will not be rooted.
Al Palmer:Well, that is one of the keys.
Alexander Markovsky:That's what's been done over the years.
Al Palmer:Yeah, and that's the hidden part. Perhaps that is hard for people to see sometimes. If it's postulated as being helpful to the people, solving problems and all that, which, if it happens, is great, but when it doesn't happen and then there's another side of that that creates problems and hurts people, then that's a destructive kind of philosophy, and it seems that that's where Marx was headed was tearing down and destroying things so you could build it up into what you wanted. Is that true?
Alexander Markovsky:Yes, that is true, that is very true.
Al Palmer:So it was implemented in the United States then by. I think had a lot to do in the 60s with the anti-war movement getting into universities and college students, getting then into the media and the public and creating a sense that the country was not good and there's something wrong with it. Let's change it. That's where some of the calls, I think, for change started early.
Alexander Markovsky:Yes, but he was very. If you're talking about Obama, he was very imaginative about it.
Alexander Markovsky:I would say he was an architect of this new strategy when he announced fundamental transformation of America. When he announced fundamental transformation of America. As an ardent Marxist who possesses a deeper understanding of Marxism than most of modern counterparts, obama has changed fundamental principles of the ideology. We have to look at it from different perspective, contrary to Marx. He looked at a different perspective. Contrary to Karl Marx's dogma that transition to socialism must be accomplished through violent struggle by the organized working class, the proletariat, who Marx said nothing to lose but their chain, obama recognized that the traditional proletarians no longer exist in the United States.
Alexander Markovsky:Capitalism transformed them into bourgeoisie or middle class, with home ownership, two cars in the garage, kids in the college and all and all and all that. They have a lot to lose, unlike the proletarians that Karl Marx described. So Obama came up with imaginative solution to it. He confronted Karl Marx's postulatio. The prime goal of socialism, evolution of private property and concentration means of production in the hands of government is wealth redistribution.
Al Palmer:Instead.
Alexander Markovsky:Obama accepted Leon Trotsky's interpretation. In a country, he said Trotsky said, in a country where sole employer is the state, the opposition means death by slow starvation. And he went even further. He said the old communist principle who doesn't work shall not eat has been replaced with a new one who does not obey shall not eat. So he concluded, quite correctly by the way, that as long as government controls the economy, it controls profits. Most importantly, obama concluded that to control the economy, the government must control only three vital sectors healthcare, finance and energy. So we don't need a revolution, we don't have to expropriate private property, we don't have to create mass murder. We can do it slowly, we can do it what appears to be peacefully. So, by controlling profits, the government can gradually impose socialism. Hence neither revolution nor expropriation is necessary.
Al Palmer:So instead of being overt and in your face it's kind of like slowly cooking the frog Right, right, you just keep turning the time, yes, so it's the same thing, except they're doing slowly. So the fraud doesn't know it's being cooked even until it's too late.
Alexander Markovsky:It's too late and he's been successful in it. You remember that Frank and Affordable Care Act successfully placed financial and health sector under government oversight. Similarly, you remember Kamala Harris proposed that called Medicare for all. Yes, that would place harness of government control on American people. So they, as I said, they needed three sectors of economy. So they got financial sector. They got healthcare under control. What they couldn't get was energy. So they come up with this pseudo-scientific theory of global warming, cooling climate change, whatever is popular nowadays, you know, and to put regulations and suffocate the energy sector by regulations. Very creative, I have to say Very creative.
Al Palmer:Oh yeah, absolutely. So those are just some of the institutions that have been co-opted or taken over in some cases the education system, energy now but there were other parts, including the military and government, where you would say that would be the last place that you want to have. Something like an ideology take control, and that's where STARS got into, kind of. This whole thing was fighting the critical race theory, implementation, which was unequal treatment, picking on outside things for people succeeding, which didn't involve meritocracy, and then getting into diversity, equity and inclusion, which were terms that were used in the public, which I don't think people to this day fully still understand. So isn't that the way that communism, marxism, worked?
Alexander Markovsky:Worked in the United States. You know that's what they are doing it, and instead of bloody revolution they do it what I've said benevolent way, you know, just seems like we're peaceful and you probably won't even notice what they were doing.
Al Palmer:But sooner or later doesn't reality take over?
Alexander Markovsky:Well, it may, but it could be way too late.
Al Palmer:I mean it's like spending other people's money right.
Alexander Markovsky:Sooner or later you run out of that and then you've got to face the reality so well, you just touched something interesting because, although Obama, as I said, created a creative, imaginative way to install socialism, they still use Bolshevik's methods from time to time to enforce their ideas, because we know we already talked about it that socialism is an artificial system and has to be enforced, but it's so. They gradually, as you just pointed out, gradually undermines Eastern institutions such as marriage, religion, the free market economy, the judicial system and the principle of individual liberty. They depict them as outdated, unjust and discriminatory.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, it's interesting you had mentioned those particular, change traditional family values, aligning with Lenin's assertion destroy the family, you destroy the society. After we dismantle it, establish constitutional order. By the way, just remind me they also extending the voting rights to non-citizens Through open borders. Millions of migrants have entered the United States with dubious past and so even the state of.
Alexander Markovsky:California, I think they implement policies that automatically register undocumented or undocumented legal individuals to work when they obtain a driver license. So Democrats consistently oppose water ID laws and the efforts to clean water rolls. So history has shown that the socialist movement, that the socialist movement, fraud is often used as a powerful tool in their political arsenal.
Al Palmer:Oh yes.
Alexander Markovsky:And they do not experience Soviet Russian predecessor.
Al Palmer:So, as we have been talking about, though you know, the efforts to infiltrate institutions, to destroy from inside, to change, to obfuscate, to hide things, to slowly, coercively get rid of parts of government and things. Those are things that have been tried in other countries, and has there been a place again we talked about this earlier has there been a place where that's worked effectively, taking all those institutions, changing them, making the governments maybe even go away and reform? Is that working somewhere?
Alexander Markovsky:Well, when you say working, whether they succeed in doing it, yes, in Soviet Russia, yes, they did it. But what I failed to mention thus far, one of the Bolshevik's tools that is widely used in the United States and maybe one of the most destructive tools that they use. And I prepare for you something, what Lingen said, and you will see how it reflected in the United States. So on April 22nd 1919, on his 50th birthday, I don't know, maybe Lenin got a little bit more vodka than usual, but he told us something astonishing. You know how they destroy wealth. He gave interview to London Daily Chronicle and he said and, by the way, the next day interview was published in New York Times on the headline talk with the Bolshevik head.
Alexander Markovsky:And when I was writing my book I went to the library and I got that New York Times and read it from the New York Times. And that's what Lenin said Experience has taught us that it is impossible to root out the evil of capitalism merely by confiscation and expropriation. However ruthlessly such measures may be applied. Astute speculators and survivors of capitalist classes will always manage to evade them and continue to corrupt the life of the community. He said so. To accomplish this, lenin declared debauched the currency to overturn the basis of society. The destruction of currency was the main component of Bolshevik's strategy.
Alexander Markovsky:So during the interview he went even further and elaborated on the implication of this strategy. He said hundreds of thousands of rubles were being issued daily by our treasure. This is done not in order to fill the coffers of the state, but practically worthless paper, but with the deliberate intention of destroying the value of money as means of payment. This simplest way to exterminate the very spirit of capitalism. Therefore, the flood of currency which notes of high face value, without financial guarantee of any sort, the great illusion of the value of power of money on which the capitalist state is based will have been definitely destroyed".
Al Palmer:So what he was doing was…. But isn't the strategy?
Alexander Markovsky:that we are experiencing in the last, I would say, let's say, 30 or 40 years. You remember that since 1971, the national debt was rising from 700 billion to an astonishing I don't know 35, 36 trillion today, and it was done beautifully and this participation of the Republicans.
Al Palmer:By spending so much.
Alexander Markovsky:So we are destroying our currency exactly by playing Leninin script.
Al Palmer:And what he did was he made it appear as if there was wealth and revenue being produced by just making more worthless paper. But it was deception, right.
Alexander Markovsky:Right and eventually the system collapsed. That was his intention, so he destroyed wealth and that I keep saying so do you mean that yes? Socialism is not about wealth distribution. It's about wealth destruction, because the only way you can achieve economic equality in poverty.
Al Palmer:Yeah, because that's all you got. So do you see pieces of that in our society today?
Alexander Markovsky:Is that accurate? That's exactly what I point out, right? You know we raised the debt. You know, from 700 billion to 35 trillion and you know the equation.
Al Palmer:Yeah, and there's also talk, you know today, about doing away with fascists and then focus on oligarchy. How about that one?
Alexander Markovsky:Yes, exactly, you know yes. Yeah's not all the destruction of currency. It's one piece, but we are dealing with multifaceted strategy that also includes, let's say, judicial system. It's a tool of intimidation, targeting, imprisoning political opponents, in the line with what Lenin used to say we can have two parties. Lenin said we can have two parties, One in power, the other in jail. And we remember prosecution of 6,000 people who participated in the protest in January.
Al Palmer:What was it? John KOTLERMANN JR, january 6, yeah.
Alexander Markovsky:GARY IRISHKOVICH, kayyemenkovich, kayyemenkovich. But how about the malicious prosecution of Donald Trump about?
Al Palmer:the malicious prosecution of Donald Trump. Well, that's part of an effort. If you were going to try to overthrow or dismantle a government, that's the way you would do it, and the Communist Party has been very open about trying to do exactly that Discredit the founding fathers, destroy the Constitution, replace government with autocracy and make it so difficult for people to live that you're constantly going through hoops trying to get things done, and it's just a burdensome way of doing it. That's how all these regulations, it seems, showed up during the last decade or so, and that's what now the effort is Eliminate those, get rid of big government, get rid of the regulations, restore the objectivity and, if you will, the legal blindness of justice so that there's no interference that way either. But these are huge things that exist and I'm disturbed that the general public doesn't see enough of this to understand the threat that exists today.
Alexander Markovsky:You're right. You're absolutely right. I will tell you, even go even further. I would say that in the last 30 years, russia and America reversed places regarding Marxism. While Russia has ended its love affair with socialism and Marxism, the United States contracted this infectious disease. I bet you that communist leader, ranging from Lenin to Brezhnev, watching this from what they call the great beyond with a sardonic smile. What Soviet Union could not achieve through its formidable military and nuclear capabilities is now being realized by duly elected American presidents and legislature backed by the American electorate. It's crazy.
Al Palmer:Well, I remember reading that Lenin, when he actually succeeded in installing the Bolsheviks after the interim government that followed the Tsar, when he came from Europe just to do that, I don't think he was expecting that to be so successful. In fact, he even said that he was amazed at how quickly and successfully they were able to take over the government. It happened almost overnight.
Alexander Markovsky:Right, right. It was a very successful revolution in 1917.
Al Palmer:Very successful and it lasted for quite a while, but then didn't it also disintegrate almost in days?
Alexander Markovsky:Disintegrate what?
Al Palmer:The Soviet Union. Didn't it kind of disintegrate? Oh well, in 1991,.
Alexander Markovsky:Yes, it collapsed absolutely unexpectedly and extremely fast, just as you said within days, that's just what you said.
Al Palmer:So the survival depends on the forces that were forming it to keep doing what they're doing without any possibility of change. Once that change starts in some place, then it's kind of curtains. I guess maybe in our Western society is to find ways to make sure that reality bites that people are looking at what's real, not what's imaginary or utopian.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, part of it is education, yes, which I would say in this country becomes absolutely deplorable, and that, of course, helps communists, socialists, whatever you know, helps them to undermine.
Al Palmer:And I would say so far quite successfully.
Al Palmer:Yeah, and that's part of it is restoring the appreciation for a free society that's based on individualism, using your own labor to get ahead, to be successful and then not being burdened by everybody else's needs. You know, I talked the other day about a parallel in our history that occurred when our country was being formed, at Jamestown. You know, they put together collectives to, you know, make wheat and farm products so that all of the people could survive the winter and they would have enough to succeed. They'd all put their stuff in the big warehouse and they'd all distribute it. You know, during the year when it got cold, Problem was not everybody was producing and not everybody was supporting that effort. So it kind of fell apart because of that was supporting that effort. So it kind of fell apart because of that. So the collective depends on enforcement of everybody having a certain part of that. Was that not kind of what was going on in the old collectives of the Soviet Union?
Alexander Markovsky:Yes, that's what we discussed earlier. You know that system is unnatural and requires enforcement, Otherwise it wouldn't work. It didn't work even with enforcement, but for a while it does work.
Al Palmer:So the antidote seems to be the focus on reality, productivity, wealth generation as an incentive for people to live better, and some of that focuses around economics, some of it around religion, some of it around philosophy, but in a way that produces something as good for the society. And as I look at the products of Marxism and Leninism and Bolshevism, all the isms is that they were designed for destruction and dismantling and rebuilding something that was uncertain.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, what you just said probably basically the freedom is a driving force of wealth creation, and you know so any suppression of freedom results in the diminishing of wealth creation. That's exactly what the purpose of Marxism, you know to make us all equal. And making us all equal, we already said it a number of times that it can be done only in poverty.
Al Palmer:Well, so I think that we struck on perhaps the value of talking with you today, and that is for people to understand that there is a way forward not to use that word, as was done collectively by the Soviets, but there is a way to solve the problem of where we are, that we're starting to get forces that are fighting against us being prosperous and good people. You know, that seems to be the in the end the solution I would think, but that's a lot of hard work, isn't it?
Al Palmer:Yes, yes, it does, yes, and so that's why we're here today to talk about this and, uh, and I'm I'm'm grateful, alex, for you helping with understanding that, particularly from your perspective, as, having grown up with that, we're going to pursue some more of this in future episodes of Stars and Stripes, we're going to have some panel discussions and some deeper dives, if you will, on what, what's happened, what can change somewhat from the perspective of our role, which is to make our military and our government more successful, and particularly the warfighter and being able to fight off all these elements that come to exist. But that's coming up for our audience in future episodes and, alex, I'm grateful to you, sir, for being a part of our discussion today and I'm looking forward to deepen our dive into this for future episodes.
Alexander Markovsky:Well, I'm very proud to be part of your efforts and thank you for inviting me.
Al Palmer:Alex, thank you, and so for our audience, stay tuned. There's more to come. And I would just mention that we're not a political organization. We don't have candidates, we don't have perspectives for elections, but what we do is like to discuss history and the way the world is today, and our big motto around here is reality bites. It's easy to have fantasies and big ideas, but you still have to deal with the reality of life, and that's kind of what we're here to discuss. So, alex, thank you, and to our audience, we'll see you next time.